CANON 7D vs NIKON D7000

[flea77]

Just a thought:

the 60D is a much better action photography camera than the D7000. If you shoot Large/Fine JPEG, the d7000 fills up its buffer after about 15 to 18 frames. Then it drops to 1 frame per second. the Canon 60D on the other hand will keep on firing at full frame rate for a significantly longer period of time. don’t be misled by the marketing hype. In order to get the 100 frames per second on the D7000, you have to reduce image quality.

You are correct, one should not believe marketing hype, one should also be suspicious of people on forums

Just for the sake of conversation I placed my D7000 right here in high speed mode, pointed it and held down the button. I got about 40 frames at full speed in large JPG, then it dropped to about 2 frames per second.

Now even with all the sports I shoot I am having a hard time figuring out a scenerio where I would need almost seven seconds of continous firing with no pauses, which is probably why with two months of sports shooting under my belt with this camera I never even knew it would run into a wall at about fourty frames, LOL!

I should also note that I was in auto WB, full Dlighting, in a dark room pointed towards a light source so I would bet I could squeeze a little more out of her under different conditions with different settings.

Allan

 

[bobbyknight]

The 7D adds magnesium to the front:

This is actually the backside of the camera, also its lens mount is made of metal.

Both have magnesium alloy in their grips. Both cameras are weather sealed. Here are some of the Nikon seal points:

Either camera will do a fine job, the D7000 is probably a little better at high ISO, the 7D is probably a little better at video. Both Nikon and Canon make excellent lenses for pretty much any occasion, both have excellent flashes. The Nikon is slightly less expensive for the body.

If you want to compare prices, be sure you pick the lenses you will want from both manufacturers as well as flashes, then add the body and see who comes out cheapest.

Personally, how the camera fits in my hand, and how I like the menus and button layout means far more than some statistics, quantity of magnesium, price point, etc. I recommend you get both in your hand, play with them, and choose the one that YOU like better.

Neither one of these is going to make you a better photographer. Someone with a 7D may shoot far inferior images to someone with a D7000, or it could be the other way around. It is how the photographer interfaces with the camera with his skill and knowledge that makes the image.

Allan

Tried them both and they felt solid on my hands. Good grip as well.

Most of the people are being blinded through prices comparisons anyway I guess. D7000 cannot be denied it is tbh a very good camera for an even very good price point that's why.
It's the reason why people are choosing it.
If you will look further, I guess it will incur you more money since Nikkor lenses are way pricey than Canon's with the same quality.
Thanks for your feedback.

 

[bobbyknight]

Just a thought:

the 60D is a much better action photography camera than the D7000. If you shoot Large/Fine JPEG, the d7000 fills up its buffer after about 15 to 18 frames. Then it drops to 1 frame per second. the Canon 60D on the other hand will keep on firing at full frame rate for a significantly longer period of time. don’t be misled by the marketing hype. In order to get the 100 frames per second on the D7000, you have to reduce image quality.

You are correct, one should not believe marketing hype, one should also be suspicious of people on forums

lmfao again you're making a lot of sense! sometimes they intend to be biased because they're using that specific model.

Just for the sake of conversation I placed my D7000 right here in high speed mode, pointed it and held down the button. I got about 40 frames at full speed in large JPG, then it dropped to about 2 frames per second.

Now even with all the sports I shoot I am having a hard time figuring out a scenerio where I would need almost seven seconds of continous firing with no pauses, which is probably why with two months of sports shooting under my belt with this camera I never even knew it would run into a wall at about fourty frames, LOL!

I should also note that I was in auto WB, full Dlighting, in a dark room pointed towards a light source so I would bet I could squeeze a little more out of her under different conditions with different settings.

Allan

That is very unbelievable!:hail:
40 frames?!eacesign:

 

[flea77]

The 7D adds magnesium to the front:

This is actually the backside of the camera, also its lens mount is made of metal.

Yep, that is why I said that the 7D adds magnesium to the front, as in they both have Mg tops, they both have Mg backs, but the 7D adds a Mg front as well. Both of them to my knowledge have metal lens mounts, the 7D is just Mg. Sorry for the confusion.

Allan

 

[DerekSalem]

Ok...Shooting in JPeg the D7000 shoots at 6fps and can sustain that for 40 frames. My 7D shoots at 8fps and can sustain it for 126 frames (I've personally hit around 135 before it started stuttering down to like 3-4fps). That doesn't matter at all because nobody's going to come to within even 40% of that most likely (the 40 frames...maybe, but not 126).

The problem comes in when you're using RAW. In RAW mode on Burst it only manages 15 frames before it starts to slow down (to around 2-3fps). Yes, that's still sufficient...but the D7000 only gets off 1/5 of that probably before it starts slowing down. For people doing Sports photography that's not sufficient...

But that's why the 7D is designed as a Sports photography camera. If you're shooting Sports you'll have a hard time finding a camera on the planet that will beat it unless you look at newest of the 1D-series.

 

[bobbyknight]

The 7D adds magnesium to the front:

This is actually the backside of the camera, also its lens mount is made of metal.

Yep, that is why I said that the 7D adds magnesium to the front, as in they both have Mg tops, they both have Mg backs, but the 7D adds a Mg front as well. Both of them to my knowledge have metal lens mounts, the 7D is just Mg. Sorry for the confusion.

Allan

As far as I know the lens mount of D7000 is made up of plastic or polycarbonate resin, having said that, of course it's not just like your ordinary plastic lol

 

[bobbyknight]

D7000:

• JPEG (Fine): 6 fps for 22 frames, then 2 frames at 3fps captured every second (approx) up to 100 frames in total. Approx 10 seconds to recover.
• JPEG (Normal): 6fps for 32 frames, then 4 frames at 4fps (approx) followed by 2-3 frames at 5fps (approx) up to 100 frames. Approx 10 seconds to recover.
• RAW: 6 fps for 10 frames, then 2 frames at 2fps captured every 2-3 seconds. 16 seconds to recover.
• RAW+ JPEG (Fine): 6 fps for 10 frames, then around 0.5 fps. Approx 22 seconds to recover.

All tests conducted at 1/250 sec in AF-S mode with a 16GB Lexar Professional 133x Class 10 SDHC card.

 

[flea77]

If you will look further, I guess it will incur you more money since Nikkor lenses are way pricey than Canon's with the same quality.
Thanks for your feedback.

In some cases that may be true, but in others not so much:

Canon 70-200 2.8L $1,376
Nikon 80-200 2.8D $1,099

Canon 70-300 4-5.6 IS USM $549
Nikon 70-300 4.5-5.6G VR $519

And you can't forget the DC lenses from Nikon that Canon has none of. Of course, you may not care about DC lenses so that may not matter.

I would also argue your statement about them both having the same quality. Some lenses will be better from Canon, some from Nikon. That is why I would suggest you get a list together of not only bodies, but lenses and flashes and see not only the price difference, but quality, performance and ergonomics.

There is no "right" answer. There is no "this one is better than that one" except for each person. What works great for me may stink for you. Personally, I would take my D7000 over a 1Ds or 5D any day of the week because I can't stand Canon ergonomics, but that is a very personal choice, it has nothing to do with which body can take better pictures other than if I hate the camera I wont take ANY pictures, heh.

Allan

 

[flea77]

D7000:

• JPEG (Fine): 6 fps for 22 frames, then 2 frames at 3fps captured every second (approx) up to 100 frames in total. Approx 10 seconds to recover.
• JPEG (Normal): 6fps for 32 frames, then 4 frames at 4fps (approx) followed by 2-3 frames at 5fps (approx) up to 100 frames. Approx 10 seconds to recover.
• RAW: 6 fps for 10 frames, then 2 frames at 2fps captured every 2-3 seconds. 16 seconds to recover.
• RAW+ JPEG (Fine): 6 fps for 10 frames, then around 0.5 fps. Approx 22 seconds to recover.

All tests conducted at 1/250 sec in AF-S mode with a 16GB Lexar Professional 133x Class 10 SDHC card.

My tests were at 1/2000 sec in AF-C mode (AFS may not fire if it does not think the subject is in focus and is a little slower IMO). I am also using a SanDisk Extreme 30MB/s card as opposed to your 20MB/s card. Lastly, I was shooting at ISO180 and I hear the higher the ISO the slower the shooting. Funny how the littlest things can make the biggest difference

Allan

 

[Sam6644]

Anybody who thinks the D7000 is anywhere near the same league as the 7D has not used both bodies. And definitely hasn't used both of them for an extended period of time.

There is A LOT more to comparing camera bodies than what you read on a specifications list or see on a chart.


I agree that the 7000 and 60D are similar, but the 7D doesn't belong in that mix.

 

[bobbyknight]

The problem comes in when you're using RAW. In RAW mode on Burst it only manages 15 frames before it starts to slow down (to around 2-3fps). Yes, that's still sufficient...but the D7000 only gets off 1/5 of that probably before it starts slowing down. For people doing Sports photography that's not sufficient...

But that's why the 7D is designed as a Sports photography camera. If you're shooting Sports you'll have a hard time finding a camera on the planet that will beat it unless you look at newest of the 1D-series.

JPEG is the most common file format that we have today especially in photographs due to its good quality to compression ratio. As stated, JPEG is a compressed file format for storing realistic images like photographs or paintings. Raw, on the other hand, is not necessarily a file format. It is simply the output of direct from the sensor written into a file without any processing or compression. In short, raw files are bigger.

D7000 cannot be justified it is closed of having competing with 7D.
People are being blinded by it's price point.
I'd agree that maybe it surpasses 60D but it won't come close with 7D.

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[bobbyknight]

If you will look further, I guess it will incur you more money since Nikkor lenses are way pricey than Canon's with the same quality.
Thanks for your feedback.

In some cases that may be true, but in others not so much:

Canon 70-200 2.8L $1,376
Nikon 80-200 2.8D $1,099

Canon 70-300 4-5.6 IS USM $549
Nikon 70-300 4.5-5.6G VR $519

And you can't forget the DC lenses from Nikon that Canon has none of. Of course, you may not care about DC lenses so that may not matter.

I would also argue your statement about them both having the same quality. Some lenses will be better from Canon, some from Nikon. That is why I would suggest you get a list together of not only bodies, but lenses and flashes and see not only the price difference, but quality, performance and ergonomics.

There is no "right" answer. There is no "this one is better than that one" except for each person. What works great for me may stink for you. Personally, I would take my D7000 over a 1Ds or 5D any day of the week because I can't stand Canon ergonomics, but that is a very personal choice, it has nothing to do with which body can take better pictures other than if I hate the camera I wont take ANY pictures, heh.

Allan

Agreed :thumbup:

 

[bobbyknight]

D7000:

• JPEG (Fine): 6 fps for 22 frames, then 2 frames at 3fps captured every second (approx) up to 100 frames in total. Approx 10 seconds to recover.
• JPEG (Normal): 6fps for 32 frames, then 4 frames at 4fps (approx) followed by 2-3 frames at 5fps (approx) up to 100 frames. Approx 10 seconds to recover.
• RAW: 6 fps for 10 frames, then 2 frames at 2fps captured every 2-3 seconds. 16 seconds to recover.
• RAW+ JPEG (Fine): 6 fps for 10 frames, then around 0.5 fps. Approx 22 seconds to recover.

All tests conducted at 1/250 sec in AF-S mode with a 16GB Lexar Professional 133x Class 10 SDHC card.

My tests were at 1/2000 sec in AF-C mode (AFS may not fire if it does not think the subject is in focus and is a little slower IMO). I am also using a SanDisk Extreme 30MB/s card as opposed to your 20MB/s card. Lastly, I was shooting at ISO180 and I hear the higher the ISO the slower the shooting. Funny how the littlest things can make the biggest difference

Allan

:smileys:

 

[flea77]

Anybody who thinks the D7000 is anywhere near the same league as the 7D has not used both bodies. And definitely hasn't used both of them for an extended period of time.

There is A LOT more to comparing camera bodies than what you read on a specifications list or see on a chart.


I agree that the 7000 and 60D are similar, but the 7D doesn't belong in that mix.

I certainly don't mean to dump on your personal choice of bodies, but I will have to disagree. You can check out:



Canon 7D vs Nikon D7000 - Flammable Comparison

Nikon D7000 vs. Canon EOS 7D - Could it be a 7D Killer? - DigitalRev.com

Nikon D7000 Vs Canon 7D - It's Not a Fair Contest Between Two Very Good Digital SLRs

It seems an aweful lot of people (including me) disagree with you and that the 7D is indeed a direct competitor to the D7000, in some cases being better than the 7D, in some cases not. Most of this will be a matter of personal choice, but to infer that the 7D is somehow in a league above the D7000 and is too good to directly compare, well that is just fantasy.

Allan

 

[bobbyknight]

If you are a huge fan of shooting in dark situations between the 7D and D7000 I would say the processing power of the 7D will keep it in check and between the 7D and D7000 there might not be much difference.
Even D7000 features a new 2,016-segment RGB light metering system, it still suffers from over exposure in a very bright lit environment and its focusing mode is inaccurate and contains error.
Out of 39 point AF system, it has only 9 cross types while 7D has 19 all of them.