What do you think 2

[Morpheuss]

the power lines are a little distracting

 

[Bram]

it says 18, plan to go pro at 20. Pro at what, exactly?

Do you not have anything better to do than to denigrate anyone who aspires to do better? I don't think I've read a single constructive critique from you. Just attacks.

Yes, it's unlikely they will become a professional photographer in two years. But it's a GOAL. Their supposed to be over ambitious. That's the point. To push yourself.

That said; Shuttercraft, I would recommend a less noisy background. Like others mentioned, the power lines pull your eyes away from the subject. Also, you might try a longer focal length to throw the background out of focus.

Do you not have anything better to do than to denigrate anyone who aspires to do better? I don't think I've read a single constructive critique from you. Just attacks.

Yes, it's unlikely they will become a professional photographer in two years. But it's a GOAL. Their supposed to be over ambitious. That's the point. To push yourself.

Man oh man not you again, Petraio Prime, Like LCARSx32 may have mentioned in different words, if you want to C&C do so, if you have nothing good to say or no advice to give, please take your rude comments elsewhere because they are definately not appreciated here. This forum is to HELP new photographers out by evolving their skills in this art. However it is NOT meant to push people into the ground with rude comments like the ones you have stated in previous threads.

That being said I think alot of these people here are arguing the same thing, a very noisy background. Thee is alot going on like the power lines and the shading effects, I think I know what you were trying to do. I love busy photos but thats just me so really I kind of like this photo. For portraits however you want to make the subject pop out of the image.

Hope some of this help, and good luck in the future.

There has to be some basis for starting. The photo looks very sloppy to me. Junk in the background, some kind of dodging poorly done.

I am just curious why the individual wants to "go pro" at 20. It takes years, if not decades to get really good and to build up a clientelle. The goal is unreasonable. In the photography business, there are too many wanna-be 'pros' already, and many excellent experienced pro who are starving because there's never enough work for them all. For these reasons I see no reason to encourage anyone to become a professional photographer, even those who are very good. Even if you're very good you'll likely starve.

Then let them starve! If this guy has ambition, the drive, the motivation, who are you to say that he can't do it? If pro is considered being able to live off of the earnings you make from your photography, then hell I am almost pro because if i were to quit my job I can almost pay off my bills with what I make. Yes even with the so called "****ty" gear I have. This guy has his goal set out. He definately has his work cut out for him but that doesn't mean he wont be able to achieve his goal. Maybe where you are Prime the business is slow and dying. Here in Vancouver, wow son business is a boomin!

 

[Petraio Prime]

it says 18, plan to go pro at 20. Pro at what, exactly?

Do you not have anything better to do than to denigrate anyone who aspires to do better? I don't think I've read a single constructive critique from you. Just attacks.

Yes, it's unlikely they will become a professional photographer in two years. But it's a GOAL. Their supposed to be over ambitious. That's the point. To push yourself.

That said; Shuttercraft, I would recommend a less noisy background. Like others mentioned, the power lines pull your eyes away from the subject. Also, you might try a longer focal length to throw the background out of focus.

Man oh man not you again, Petraio Prime, Like LCARSx32 may have mentioned in different words, if you want to C&C do so, if you have nothing good to say or no advice to give, please take your rude comments elsewhere because they are definately not appreciated here. This forum is to HELP new photographers out by evolving their skills in this art. However it is NOT meant to push people into the ground with rude comments like the ones you have stated in previous threads.

That being said I think alot of these people here are arguing the same thing, a very noisy background. Thee is alot going on like the power lines and the shading effects, I think I know what you were trying to do. I love busy photos but thats just me so really I kind of like this photo. For portraits however you want to make the subject pop out of the image.

Hope some of this help, and good luck in the future.

There has to be some basis for starting. The photo looks very sloppy to me. Junk in the background, some kind of dodging poorly done.

I am just curious why the individual wants to "go pro" at 20. It takes years, if not decades to get really good and to build up a clientelle. The goal is unreasonable. In the photography business, there are too many wanna-be 'pros' already, and many excellent experienced pro who are starving because there's never enough work for them all. For these reasons I see no reason to encourage anyone to become a professional photographer, even those who are very good. Even if you're very good you'll likely starve.

Then let them starve! If this guy has ambition, the drive, the motivation, who are you to say that he can't do it? If pro is considered being able to live off of the earnings you make from your photography, then hell I am almost pro because if i were to quit my job I can almost pay off my bills with what I make. Yes even with the so called "****ty" gear I have. This guy has his goal set out. He definately has his work cut out for him but that doesn't mean he wont be able to achieve his goal. Maybe where you are Prime the business is slow and dying. Here in Vancouver, wow son business is a boomin!

I am saying he is too young to be thinking about this. There is too much to learn. It takes years and years....maybe as an assistant to a pro...or maybe some kind of less critical or demanding work such as event photography...

 

[Bram]

Seriously? Age hasn't been a limit since 2006, where have you been my friend? I myself am only 19. Who is to say thatby the time i'm 20, I won't be able to live of my work? Have you not watched other things going on in the world, there's a 14 year old chinese girl that is a world gymnastics champion, too young? Come on man, age should not be a standard by which we live, younger people are going to greater hights then the youth from the 80's or 90's could never reach. Get real.

 

[Petraio Prime]

Seriously? Age hasn't been a limit since 2006, where have you been my friend? I myself am only 19. Who is to say thatby the time i'm 20, I won't be able to live of my work? Have you not watched other things going on in the world, there's a 14 year old chinese girl that is a world gymnastics champion, too young? Come on man, age should not be a standard by which we live, younger people are going to greater hights then the youth from the 80's or 90's could never reach. Get real.

Some points for you:

1) It takes 10,000 hours, regardless of age to get good enough at something to do it professionally. Check out Outliers, a book by Malcolm Gladwell:

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2) Eagerness and enthusiasm have to be backed by enormous talent and willingness to sacrifice. Again, read the book.

3) Photography is not gymnastics.

4) Spend much more time when you make photographs and far less time manipulating them in Photoshop. Take the time to see what's in your viewfinder. If you're not using reflectors and scrims and possibly flash units, you're not going to get professional-looking results. It can't be done. That's why pros who are real pros use reflectors and scrims and flash units: that's what it takes.

Here's how pros shoot this kind of thing:

http://www.shopwise2000.com/productimages/proscrim/ScrimStreet.jpg

http://www.vistek.ca/marketing/procentre/californiasunbounce/images/material_diffusion232.jpg

It has nothing to do with age per se but it takes a lot of time to master all of this.

 

[Bram]

Your so stubborn it's making me wnt to hit my monitor. You're not getting my point man, my point wasn't that photography is like gymnastics, my point is that age is not a limit or a requirment for professionalism anymore, it may have been back in 1980 but this is 2010! Seriously man get with the program. I don't see the 10,000 hours of anythign beign a fact anywhere. Where did you pull that random ass fact from? Because it stinks man. You don't reall yneed talent to be a pro, look at Sean Avery, (I hate him, therefore the reference). Oh and those 2 points are actually 3. Way to count though, guesing they didn't teach that back in 1854 huh?



Nice edit by the way.

Oh and i'm also so glad we have an actual "pro" helping us here. :thumbdown:

 

[Petraio Prime]

Your so stubborn it's making me wnt to hit my monitor. You're not getting my point man, my point wasn't that photography is like gymnastics, my point is that age is not a limit or a requirment for professionalism anymore, it may have been back in 1980 but this is 2010! Seriously man get with the program. I don't see the 10,000 hours of anythign beign a fact anywhere. Where did you pull that random ass fact from? Because it stinks man. You don't reall yneed talent to be a pro, look at Sean Avery, (I hate him, therefore the reference). Oh and those 2 points are actually 3. Way to count though, guesing they didn't teach that back in 1854 huh?

I edited my count because there were actually 4 points to make. Be patient.
It doesn't matter. It takes time. Lots of time. To master anything.

Most good writers are in the 40s at the youngest? Why is that? It takes time to learn how to write, and to accumulate enough experience in life.

Sure, you could probably make some money at photography, but being a real, true 'pro' is something else entirely.

Be patient.

 

[Bram]

I like how your slowly attempting to admit that what you said was completely uncalled for and made you sound like an idiot. Good attempt though. Key word being attempt.

 

[Petraio Prime]

I like how your slowly attempting to admit that what you said was completely uncalled for and made you sound like an idiot. Good attempt though. Key word being attempt.

I sometimes revise my posts after I first put them on, because I think through it more. Don't reply immediately. It will probably change a little.

I know how you feel. I was 20 once. At that time I had already been doing photography for six years and was getting pretty good. I had no notion of going pro at that time, though I did work professionally in my late 20s and 30s. I worked at my college yearbook when I was 18-22 and did some rather good work of the PJ type. It was not, however, the best training for commercial photography, so when I tried working in the commercial photography field it was almost like starting from scratch.

Do you know what sort of work pros actually do?

Now, regarding your photo, the dark clothing blends into the dark background. The girl needs to be lit with side-lighting to create an edge that separates her from the background. The wires and poles are extremely distracting. The angle is perhaps not the most flattering, and a much longer lens would perhaps be of benefit here, as it would throw the background out of focus. Then there is the issue of the color and dodging, all of which are poorly managed.

 

[SageMark]

Far too much noise reduction for my taste. It's been smoothed to death and the contrast is way off in my opinion. Keep up the trying and the posting no matter what comments you hear, it will only make you stronger, wiser, and better. You seem dedicated, keep shooting for it.

 

[SageMark]

it says 18, plan to go pro at 20. Pro at what, exactly?

Why do you come off to me as just being evil to your core? The photographer is only 18. Does your kid have a TPF account taking pictures so I can go rub some dirt in his/her face? I'm just sayin......

 

[Petraio Prime]

it says 18, plan to go pro at 20. Pro at what, exactly?

Why do you come off to me as just being evil to your core? The photographer is only 18. Does your kid have a TPF account taking pictures so I can go rub some dirt in his/her face? I'm just sayin......

Trying to save him...it helps to have a dose of reality rather than people just saying nice things to him. When he's not starving he'll thank me.

A few years ago a man came into the retail shop where I was working and asked me to sell him a Hasselblad and lighting equipment so he could take photos of his products instead of hiring a pro to do it. He asked me to teach him what he needed to know to do that. I told him he should keep employing the pro, that's why there are pro photographers and there are business owners. He was strong willed and came back later to buy the stuff from someone else. After I quit working there someone told me he had come back and sheepishly, grudgingly, admitted I was right after all, and sold the equipment.

The points to be learned from this?

1) He realized it's not as easy as it looks.
2) Listen to what I tell you. I have your best interest at heart.
3) Be patient.

 

[Bram]

I like how your slowly attempting to admit that what you said was completely uncalled for and made you sound like an idiot. Good attempt though. Key word being attempt.

I sometimes revise my posts after I first put them on, because I think through it more. Don't reply immediately. It will probably change a little.

I know how you feel. I was 20 once. At that time I had already been doing photography for six years and was getting pretty good. I had no notion of going pro at that time, though I did work professionally in my late 20s and 30s. I worked at my college yearbook when I was 18-22 and did some rather good work of the PJ type. It was not, however, the best training for commercial photography, so when I tried working in the commercial photography field it was almost like starting from scratch.

Yeah really? In your late 20's and 30's? and you realize your downgrading an 18 year old kid? very manly of you, I have also been shooting for awhile now I dont know exactly how long but quite awhile now. Look where I am. Probably alot further then you were at my age. All i'm sayng is that everybody has dreams, goals, and achievments they want under their belt at a certain point in their life. This happened to be one of his and also one of mine. Prime you do come off as pure evil and nobody really likes what you say and how you react to some peoples threads. Best thing to do is be nice and thoughtful maybe that way people may actually like you and respect you, maybe then you'll turn pro one day.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

It's baaaaaack.

Just keep reporting it. It' will be gone again.

 

[Bram]

Yeah no doubt, this guy really grinds my gears!