What camera i would use for specific shoots..

[thereyougo!]

Nudity or no, I'm not sure what it has to do with the subject. Plus on that one there is an awful lot of dead space around her, and the trees are a bit of an eccentric backdrop from my point of view...

 

[Vtec44]

What you're using it for will have a huge factor on which camera. Most people also don't realize that AF system on most MF cameras suck compare to high end 35mm DSLR's (especially in low light), on top of bulky in size, slow frame rate, among other things. So, pros and cons for each tool. In the end, it's the photographer's experience and creative vision that clients will go after.

On that note, experience doesn't always mean creativity. Some people shoot their entire life time and still don't have it. Those are the ones that always bring up their experience. LOL Let your work speak for itself. If you have to bring up your experience every time, most likely your work sucks.

 

[donny1963]

In the end, what you're using it for will have a huge factor on which camera. Most people also don't realize that AF system on most MF cameras suck compare to high end 35mm DSLR's (especially in low light), on top of bulky in size, slow frame rate, among other things. So, pros and cons for each tool. In the end, it's the photographer's experience and creative vision that clients will go after.

On that note, experience doesn't always mean creativity. Some people shoot their entire life time and still don't have it. Those are the ones that always bring up their experience. LOL Let your work speak for itself. If you have to bring up your experience every time, most likely your work sucks.

Not all tho, just because some one would bring up thier experience don't mean they suck lol.
experience is needed, you said it your self,. "In the end, it's the photographer's experience and creative vision that clients will go after."

i doubt some one with out any experience would be very creative, some maybe..
it's the vision, for me any way, it's what i see before i click the shutter, it's an idea, besides, when you talk about creativity , that could mean anything any way.
Because, you would ask creative in what way? creative, in the lighting?, the composition? or maybe both..
the comment the other guy left about "awful lot of dead space around her, and the trees are a bit of an eccentric backdrop from my point of view..."

that's just an opinion, and personal taste, doesn't mean the picture isn't any good. the way i see it, its' all about what the photographer was going after is what counts..

 

[donny1963]

Nudity or no, I'm not sure what it has to do with the subject. Plus on that one there is an awful lot of dead space around her, and the trees are a bit of an eccentric backdrop from my point of view...

that's just an opinion, and personal taste, doesn't mean the picture isn't any good. the way i see it, its' all about what the photographer was going after is what counts..

 

[Vtec44]

Not all tho, just because some one would bring up thier experience don't mean they suck lol.
experience is needed, you said it your self,. "In the end, it's the photographer's experience and creative vision that clients will go after."

i doubt some one with out any experience would be very creative, some maybe..
it's the vision, for me any way, it's what i see before i click the shutter, it's an idea, besides, when you talk about creativity , that could mean anything any way.
Because, you would ask creative in what way? creative, in the lighting?, the composition? or maybe both..

The consistency of my work is mainly due to the experience that I have. Long time photographers are typically consistent with their work. Creativity is more or less a mindset, and photography just happens to be a medium to express that. People can be creative in other mediums. I paint, I draw, I sketch, I make things way before photography. I don't need photography experience to have a creative mindset. I need the experience if I want to express it in that medium. They are two different things. This is why in wedding photography industry, often older photographers (experience) are left behind by younger photographers (less experience but lots of creativity).

 

[IronMaskDuval]

I use a Kodak easyshare. Best dr of them all

 

[thereyougo!]

Nudity or no, I'm not sure what it has to do with the subject. Plus on that one there is an awful lot of dead space around her, and the trees are a bit of an eccentric backdrop from my point of view...

that's just an opinion, and personal taste, doesn't mean the picture isn't any good. the way i see it, its' all about what the photographer was going after is what counts..

My main point is that these images have bugger all to do with the thread's title. You may be the OP, but you still have to stay largely relevant to the thread's title or start a new thread that is relevant to what you want to say...

 

[donny1963]

Nudity or no, I'm not sure what it has to do with the subject. Plus on that one there is an awful lot of dead space around her, and the trees are a bit of an eccentric backdrop from my point of view...

that's just an opinion, and personal taste, doesn't mean the picture isn't any good. the way i see it, its' all about what the photographer was going after is what counts..

My main point is that these images have bugger all to do with the thread's title. You may be the OP, but you still have to stay largely relevant to the thread's title or start a new thread that is relevant to what you want to say...

more then often a topic changes during the converstations,, i can't help it if a tread shifts to another..
If your going to join in a forum you would have to get use to that, because it happens often..
:/

 

[Tim Tucker]

that's just an opinion, and personal taste, doesn't mean the picture isn't any good. the way i see it, its' all about what the photographer was going after is what counts..

Not really. It's not about what you intend to do but what you actually produce, and the best judge of whether you've succeeded in your endeavour is other people's opinion. My personal opinion is that I didn't like it, my unbiased opinion is that it exhibited a number of problems both technically and in the way you edited and presented it.

What people actually see is not always what you think that you're presenting. For instance, absolutely totally unbiased and without implying any criticism, what I see is this. I see you talking about as lot of expensive cameras and how you wouldn't use crop frame for this or that, but the only photos I see that you've posted are all taken with the Canon D50. You talk of extensive work with models but I've only seen a few shots that are poorly posed, over edited and utilise direct onboard flash. I don't see a great understanding of editing techniques or composition. The two 'model' shots that were shot on film not only show sophisticated lighting and a neutral colour balance that was missing from the work you've otherwise posted, but are also jpegs that have been passed through Camera Raw and exhibit a number of artefacts that are inconsistent with having been scanned from slides.

Now I don't doubt what you say, I'm just pointing out that what others see is not always what you think you're presenting, as is the case of the nude with the bush.

 

[thereyougo!]

Nudity or no, I'm not sure what it has to do with the subject. Plus on that one there is an awful lot of dead space around her, and the trees are a bit of an eccentric backdrop from my point of view...

that's just an opinion, and personal taste, doesn't mean the picture isn't any good. the way i see it, its' all about what the photographer was going after is what counts..

My main point is that these images have bugger all to do with the thread's title. You may be the OP, but you still have to stay largely relevant to the thread's title or start a new thread that is relevant to what you want to say...

more then often a topic changes during the converstations,, i can't help it if a tread shifts to another..
If your going to join in a forum you would have to get use to that, because it happens often..
:/

Are you a professional patroniser or have you just started out?

I have been a member of this forum for nearly 6 years and I am well used to topics going 'off piste' so to speak - am sometimes guilty of it myself.

As the OP it's kind of your responsibility to keep things on track as much as possible. Throwing out a lot of NSFW photos without bothering to check the rules of the site (and this site's rules are pretty visible) fails Forum 101. You didn't make it clear what point you were making with the photos. The NSFW section is pretty easy to find. I would give you a link, but you're so clever you won't need it

I'm with Tim on the actual images. An opinion is an opinion, but once you put it an image out there, people are going to make their own opinions felt based on how you present and re-present your work. To me the BW nude looked grey and a little lifeless, and the trees didn't add anything at all. You don't feel that way, and that is fine I just wasn't sure what point you were making with the images as it didn't seem to be saying how relevant the image was to the choice of camera used.

 

[SCraig]

Not really. It's not about what you intend to do but what you actually produce, and the best judge of whether you've succeeded in your endeavour is other people's opinion. My personal opinion is that I didn't like it, my unbiased opinion is that it exhibited a number of problems both technically and in the way you edited and presented it.

I tend to disagree with this for a couple of reasons, however I freely admit that I may be taking it out of context since I didn't bother to read the entire thread. I get bored easily.

First, an "Unbiased Opinion" is a misnomer in my opinion since the two words can be, and frequently are, mutually exclusive. I feel that to be "Unbiased" a statement must be grounded in fact however an "Opinion" may be based strictly on conjecture or one's personal interpretation. A statement can be a personal opinion or it can be unbiased but I don't feel that it can be an unbiased opinion.

Second, I feel that what one intends to do with a photograph *IS* the most important concept. Unless one is creating a photograph for sale or on commission their personal view of the photograph is *ALL* that matters.

I can create a photograph that is mathematically correct in that the exposure, contrast and saturation are exactly where they should be, but if it's not what I "Want" then it doesn't matter. If I want to produce something that is misty or hazy I might cut back on the contrast and saturation. It may not be technically correct, but it may well be what I wanted to see. If I am producing the photograph for my own personal enjoyment then what I want is all that matters. Whether other people view it as lacking contrast or saturation is secondary to me as long as the photograph shows what I wanted it to show. The photograph may not be technically correct but from my point of view it expresses what I wanted. I do agree that there are certain aspects that are either right or wrong though, and they should be avoided. JPEG artifacts, halos around subjects, blown highlights, etc. These truly are technical aspects and are not perceptual.

Composition and presentation are yet another matter. There are no cut-and-dried "Rules" in photography, only "Accepted Methods". I can create a photograph that is composed the way I want it to be and it can then be ripped to shreds by others as not being properly composed. Who is right and who is wrong? In my opinion, if I like the photograph I'm right and they are wrong yet in their minds they are right and I'm wrong. It's all a matter of perception.

I personally detest the pastel, hazy, washed out look that is so prevalent these days. I also detest over-saturated HDR, black-and-white, and selective colorization. If someone else enjoys looking at them does that make them right and me wrong, does it make me right and them wrong, or does it matter not at all? Unless I'm paying them to create a photograph the way I want it to be then it matters not in the slightest.

This is not to say that the opinions of others are not important, nor does it mean that we cannot learn from the experience and advice of others. Far from it, I feel that the opinions of others are quite important. I do feel that one must decide for themselves how a photograph should be presented and from that perspective decide whether the advice they are receiving will benefit the photograph. I listen to the advice I receive but that doesn't mean I'll use it every time. In the end my photographs are mine and I am the only one I have to please.

Again, I am of the opinion that what one plans to do with a photograph is quite important. If they plan to sell it or are creating it for someone else then the opinions of those receiving the photograph are critical and they are what need to be considered. If, on the other hand, one is creating a photograph for their own enjoyment then the opinions of someone else are secondary to the result.

Just my personal opinion .....

 

[Tim Tucker]

I tend to disagree with this for a couple of reasons, however I freely admit that I may be taking it out of context since I didn't bother to read the entire thread. I get bored easily.

Snip.....

Again, not really. You might want to read my entire post as I'm talking about the difference between the image you try and present and the image others actually see, the very essence of perception.

Technically correct has nothing to do with settings on the camera but how well you actually look and see the results you post. This is as simple as not even seeing colour casts on your images or presenting heavily over-sharpened images as artistic choice rather than a gross misunderstanding of how we see and perceive relative acutance.

I'm keeping this post shorter than my last short post in the hope that you'll get to the end of it.

 

[thereyougo!]

What about biased or unbiased lol

Sure you can have your own view on how you present your media. I don't think Tim is disagreeing with this and neither am I. It depends whether you want the image to speak to people and if so how. If it doesn't speak to people the way you intended then you have to investigate why if you care whether it is speaking to people.

All of this discussion is fine but is completely irrelevant to the OP but since the OP himself doesn't care about OT it doesn't matter, though I suspect it will kill the thread. It's like a Monty Python show.

 

[donny1963]

that's just an opinion, and personal taste, doesn't mean the picture isn't any good. the way i see it, its' all about what the photographer was going after is what counts..

Not really. It's not about what you intend to do but what you actually produce, and the best judge of whether you've succeeded in your endeavour is other people's opinion. My personal opinion is that I didn't like it, my unbiased opinion is that it exhibited a number of problems both technically and in the way you edited and presented it.

What people actually see is not always what you think that you're presenting. For instance, absolutely totally unbiased and without implying any criticism, what I see is this. I see you talking about as lot of expensive cameras and how you wouldn't use crop frame for this or that, but the only photos I see that you've posted are all taken with the Canon D50. You talk of extensive work with models but I've only seen a few shots that are poorly posed, over edited and utilise direct onboard flash. I don't see a great understanding of editing techniques or composition. The two 'model' shots that were shot on film not only show sophisticated lighting and a neutral colour balance that was missing from the work you've otherwise posted, but are also jpegs that have been passed through Camera Raw and exhibit a number of artefacts that are inconsistent with having been scanned from slides.

Now I don't doubt what you say, I'm just pointing out that what others see is not always what you think you're presenting, as is the case of the nude with the bush.

hey, hate to tell ya, but your wrong, it's not all with the Canon 50D, the last 2 i posted was with a NIKON F5, not a cannon, sorry..
and you said i poorly posed them, first off the lingerie pic i posted here won a Lingerie contest, so again what your seeing is your opinion, and i don't believe i'ts an unbiased opinion, i think your trying to impress some one and try to critic a picture, i know the difference, trust me i been round the block probably a few more times they you have..
and i have looked at your postings to other on here, 90% of them is negative, are you in your own mind the only one that does something correctly?
have you ever sent a positive message about some ones work, if you did i all your postings i didn't see it, must be on some other forum.


what i posted on here was for the message and not to impress any one with what i done, if i done that i would have posted my other stuff.
And your opinion of how i work with models is so wrong, i use to pose models for a publishing company for lingerie and wedding garments..
And did that for 3 years, i'm quite sure i knew what i was doing.. :/
By the way that poorly posed lingerie picture won a lingerie contest at a couple of places,, And was published on a couple of websites.
Yes they are old, back in 1999 is when i believe them pictures was taken, what What was you shooting in 1999??

 

[donny1963]

Nudity or no, I'm not sure what it has to do with the subject. Plus on that one there is an awful lot of dead space around her, and the trees are a bit of an eccentric backdrop from my point of view...

that's just an opinion, and personal taste, doesn't mean the picture isn't any good. the way i see it, its' all about what the photographer was going after is what counts..

My main point is that these images have bugger all to do with the thread's title. You may be the OP, but you still have to stay largely relevant to the thread's title or start a new thread that is relevant to what you want to say...

more then often a topic changes during the converstations,, i can't help it if a tread shifts to another..
If your going to join in a forum you would have to get use to that, because it happens often..
:/

Are you a professional patroniser or have you just started out?

I have been a member of this forum for nearly 6 years and I am well used to topics going 'off piste' so to speak - am sometimes guilty of it myself.

As the OP it's kind of your responsibility to keep things on track as much as possible. Throwing out a lot of NSFW photos without bothering to check the rules of the site (and this site's rules are pretty visible) fails Forum 101. You didn't make it clear what point you were making with the photos. The NSFW section is pretty easy to find. I would give you a link, but you're so clever you won't need it

I'm with Tim on the actual images. An opinion is an opinion, but once you put it an image out there, people are going to make their own opinions felt based on how you present and re-present your work. To me the BW nude looked grey and a little lifeless, and the trees didn't add anything at all. You don't feel that way, and that is fine I just wasn't sure what point you were making with the images as it didn't seem to be saying how relevant the image was to the choice of camera used.

I didn't mind it going off track, it happens, and it's not a bad, thing, every have a conversation with a group of guys in person? do you keep with the same subject or change it afer a couple min? most change it,, most people move on in a conversation, it's how things work.
it's not a bad thing, in fact it's normal..
I'm not going to direct every one on how and when to keep on topic. it's up to every one else if they choose to change the topic a bit, conversations move on.
No big deal..