Canon 20D is coming!

[doxx]

8.2 MP with 1.6 mag factor, it seems I sold my 10D at the right time :roll:

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos20d/

[mentos_007]

that's great, and the specification seems very very attractive but... I'm afraid about my wallet now :) ehhh...

[Alison]

Sweet! We need a 2nd camera and were going to buy another 10D, so maybe we can get one really cheap or bite the bullet and get this one. At least it's cheaper than the 1D!

[Varthlokkur]

to bad they could'nt have gotten rid of the 1.6 mag. I would have bought it asap if they had.

[MDowdey]

wheres the price?


md

[molested_cow]

1.6?

[Sharkbait]

Mmmmmm :drool:

[Corry]

Yeah, where's the price?

[Sharkbait]

I'm guessing it'll be a bit more than the 10D is currently going for. My bet is around $1700 body-only. Maybe $1500.

[Alison]

One site I saw showed estimated $1300 body only. Bummer is that the battery grip has changed so I can't use the one from the 10D. External flash is compatible though. The mag factor is nice for closeups, bad for my 20mm lens!

[Walt]

$1999.00 20D body at www.cameracanada.com
http://www.cameracanada.com/eNet-cart/product.asp?pid=20D&type=1

[talonop]

Another pretty good preview- http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/20d-part1.shtml.

I am beginning to regret switching to Nikon. Wonder what the next advanced amateur nikon digicam is going to be..

[MDowdey]

you guys are crazy for spending that much on a camera...i picked the wrong hobby...this crap is too expensive!! :lol:



md

[Alison]

you guys are crazy for spending that much on a camera...i picked the wrong hobby...this crap is too expensive!! :lol:



md

That's why we went into business, to fund our hobby :) One wedding would take care of the 20D's pricetag for you.

[danalec99]

One wedding would take care of the 20D's pricetag for you.

:D

[MDowdey]

you guys are crazy for spending that much on a camera...i picked the wrong hobby...this crap is too expensive!! :lol:



md

That's why we went into business, to fund our hobby :) One wedding would take care of the 20D's pricetag for you.
i went through a wedding, my own, that was quite enough

md

[gonzo]

you guys are crazy for spending that much on a camera...i picked the wrong hobby...this crap is too expensive!! :lol:



md

lol, i am insane then. money is a small price to pay for doing something you really love :heart: i can barely pay rent as is ;)

[Walt]

you guys are crazy for spending that much on a camera...i picked the wrong hobby...this crap is too expensive!! :lol:



md
Yup, think I'll be sticking with my cameras (film) for some time yet. Good investment for a pro but unfortunatly I can't justify it.

[gonzo]

lol, no need for justifcation for me (though me bank account will disagree vehemently!) This lil' baby is selling for $1,599.95 USD on Adorama!

http://www.adorama.com/ICA20DK.html?searchinfo=20d&item_no=3

[Alison]

you guys are crazy for spending that much on a camera...i picked the wrong hobby...this crap is too expensive!! :lol:



md

That's why we went into business, to fund our hobby :) One wedding would take care of the 20D's pricetag for you.
i went through a wedding, my own, that was quite enough

md

Good point. Other people's are much more fun, and lucrative at that.

[steve817]

The story of my life. I just bought a 10D

[Sharkbait]

That's just a major pisser that it doesn't take the same battery grip as the 300D. That's a $129 reason for me to not upgrade. :?

[ksmattfish]

That's just a major pisser that it doesn't take the same battery grip as the 300D. That's a $129 reason for me to not upgrade. :?

Get used to it. Almost immediate obsolesence is a wonderful thing if you are on the sales end. Digital is going to make Canon and Nikon more money than they ever could have dreamed of with film cameras.

A lot of folks recommend picking a body based on a lens system when buying a digital camera so that they can upgrade the body, and use the same lenses, but I wonder if this is a good idea? 5 years from now the latest, greatest sensors may be so different (for instance very powerful, and very small) that it requires a completely different kind of lens.

The days of buying a new camera/lens system, and being able to "upgrade" to the latest image capturing technology by spending $6 at your local pro lab are almost gone. I use my 47 year old Rolleiflex for personal and professional work almost everyday, and there are plenty of others doing it too; will anyone be saying the same in 50 years for the cameras built today (film & digital)?

My prediction for 2005: proprietary camera straps and bags :lol:

Edit: alright, I have to admit something, Rollei actually did introduce a proprietary camera strap system :oops: , but then again I was able to get around it with two 5 cent "S" hooks from the local hardware store. Unlikely you will find such a convenient fix for the battery pack. :wink:

[mentos_007]

I have to start my own business...

[Sharkbait]

That's just a major pisser that it doesn't take the same battery grip as the 300D. That's a $129 reason for me to not upgrade. :?

Get used to it. Almost immediate obsolesence is a wonderful thing if you are on the sales end. Digital is going to make Canon and Nikon more money than they ever could have dreamed of with film cameras.

A lot of folks recommend picking a body based on a lens system when buying a digital camera so that they can upgrade the body, and use the same lenses, but I wonder if this is a good idea? 5 years from now the latest, greatest sensors may be so different (for instance very powerful, and very small) that it requires a completely different kind of lens.

The days of buying a new camera/lens system, and being able to "upgrade" to the latest image capturing technology by spending $6 at your local pro lab are almost gone. I use my 47 year old Rolleiflex for personal and professional work almost everyday, and there are plenty of others doing it too; will anyone be saying the same in 50 years for the cameras built today (film & digital)?

My prediction for 2005: proprietary camera straps and bags :lol:

Edit: alright, I have to admit something, Rollei actually did introduce a proprietary camera strap system :oops: , but then again I was able to get around it with two 5 cent "S" hooks from the local hardware store. Unlikely you will find such a convenient fix for the battery pack. :wink:

True, but as with film, most upgrades are really just bells and whistles. Sure, I'd love the newest tech of the D20, but I can shoot professional-level stuff with my "measley" 300D. By the time I'd really need to upgrade, I can pass off the 300D to my daughter (who will be born in December).

[ksmattfish]

Just lamenting that they've got us over a barrel. If I want the latest, state of the art image quality I'll have to spend $2000 for the new DSLR (+$150 for the new batt pack, and how much will the new optimized lenses cost? etc...), rather than $8 on a roll of new pro film.

I'll get used to it, and it will just be a business expense. And if I shoot enough photos upgrading to a new DSLR system every 2 years will probably be cheaper than all the film costs I'd go through in the same time. But will I ever be as attached to my latest, plastic, wonder-tech camera like I am to my Rollei? :love: Or even my K-1000? And will that affect my photos?

Who knows, my Dad is still using my old Kodak DC-25, and that's a digital camera that's about as old as they get :lol: He says he loves it :puke-rig:

[Sharkbait]

Isn't hasselblad or somebody coming out (or already has out) a MF camera where you can just lock on either a film or digital 'cartridge' sort of thing? That might be the way to go eventually...

[ksmattfish]

You can get digital backs for some MF cameras. They are running $10,000+ !!! I sure would love it if someday I could get a digital sensor put in an old MF folder body; that would be a blast!

[danalec99]

Digital is going to make Canon and Nikon more money than they ever could have dreamed of with film cameras.

True.

This could be the time to buy some of their shares!

[Sharkbait]

You can get digital backs for some MF cameras. They are running $10,000+ !!! I sure would love it if someday I could get a digital sensor put in an old MF folder body; that would be a blast!

They're also in the 13MP range,if I'm not mistaken (hence the super doooooper sticker shock).

[Big Mike]

Actually, I think there is a 22MP sensor avaliable for Mamiya.

[Sharkbait]

Jeez, those would be some whopping big file sizes!

[voodoocat]

Jeez, those would be some whopping big file sizes! Yeah, there is no card media reader since the file sizes are so big. They need to be connected to a laptop to save the file. Not very good for use in the field. File sizes are >500megs each.

[Karalee]

Its a bummer that the new EF-S lenses will fit on the 20D and 300D but not the 10D

[Sharkbait]

I never understood all the different designations CAnon uses for their lenses. :| I know the IS are the image stabilizers...

[doxx]

L lenses are the pro lenses
USM is UltraSonicMotor
EF-S are cheap-o consumer lenses

[Sharkbait]

Thanks Doxx! Canon should put that info on their website or something! heh

I've gotten pretty good results with my EF-S kit lens from the 300D. On wide shots though there's definite loss of clarity towards the edges of the frame.

It's really noticeable in this shot...
http://www.whitesharkphoto.com/images/IMG_6249_edited_RS.jpg

[ksmattfish]

Canon should put that info on their website or something! heh

Yeah, they should have the cojones to quote Doxx :twisted:

EF-S are cheap-o consumer lenses

[Jeff Canes]

20D is just a downsized EOS Mark II, no big deal

Some MF digital back are coming with build in wireless network card now

[doxx]

Yeah, they should have the cojones to quote Doxx


I should be marketing director of Canon :roll:

[absolut]

Its a bummer that the new EF-S lenses will fit on the 20D and 300D but not the 10D

With the kit EF-S 18-55mm it was possible to fit them to a 10d after sawing off the end of the lenses. Maybe it would be also possible to do same with two recently introduced EF-S lenses? Well 10-22mm seems to be very tempting.

[Karalee]

Its a bummer that the new EF-S lenses will fit on the 20D and 300D but not the 10D

With the kit EF-S 18-55mm it was possible to fit them to a 10d after sawing off the end of the lenses. Maybe it would be also possible to do same with two recently introduced EF-S lenses? Well 10-22mm seems to be very tempting.

Ive been told if you try it you can smash the mirror :-? So smash the mirror or saw a lens?

[Scott WRG Editor]

Now I'm in a dilema, I've been waiting to get a 10D and now that the money is going to be available the 20D comes out. Should I get the 20D or wait a little more for the prices of the 10D's to drop (at least in the used market) and get a 10D and a lense or something along those lines.

Descisions Descisions... :LOL:

[Karalee]

Werent you the one that said waiting for newest camera to come out does 2 things, makes you wait and spend more money :P


Sorry, couldnt resist :LOL:

[Sharkbait]

I might try to pick up a used 10D once they start hitting the market. I forget, does the 10D still have the plastic body?

[absolut]

I might try to pick up a used 10D once they start hitting the market. I forget, does the 10D still have the plastic body?

no it does not have a plastic body.

[Sharkbait]

Good deal. That's one of the few drawbacks to my 300D. It's solid, but still has a bit of a plastic feel to it. If I can snatch a 10D for cheap, I might go that route at some point.

[Sharkbait]

So...when the 20D comes out, I assume the base price of the 10D will come down, huh? Any educated guesses as to what it'll drop to?

[doxx]

last price for the 10D is around $1,300. The 20D will go for $1,500,
my best guess would be $1,300 to $1,400 street.
The 10D will drop another $100 to $150 and that's about it...

To save a few mor bucks - watch the refurb & used market - many
people will jump on the 20D. photovillage (great dealer!) in NYC had the
10D refurbed for $999

[danalec99]

Heard there is a B&W mode.

[Varthlokkur]

When I was working at the camera store I was under the impression that the 10d would be discontinued.

[Sharkbait]

When I was working at the camera store I was under the impression that the 10d would be discontinued.

Yup; I just talked to some folks at Roberts' Camera in Indy over the weekend, and the 10d already has been discontinued.